Fire- it can happen to you

I just heard on TV last night, “Fortune favors the bold.”

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No it wasn’t, it was a result of using artificial stupidity, and believing it to be correct.
OTOH, testing whether we’d fall for it or not :wink: .
Almost a ten times error isn’t much of an estimate though, is it :slight_smile:

Nope, the volume felt way too low and since I was too lazy to calculate it I instead looked it up on some science website, and erred at least ~20% on the side of the caution, I’m very boring that way.
Hence the plus.

I do admit that I have intentionally blown stuff up just to shake folks a bit, but there always been at least a some kind of a reason for me to do so, and I sure don’t have a reason to make You -or anyone else here for that matter- intentionally to blow up even a party balloon.

Most likely yes, it would.
However, most commercial automatic CO2 16g cartiridge based systems for medium size diode laser cabinets seem to have 3-6 cartiridges, but I do not know enough about how those systems discharge the CO2 to even guess as why.
If I build such a system in the future, that too will be based around a soda CO2 bottle.

Yeah, experimental sciences are the best :heart_eyes: .

Regards,

Sam

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Never heard of such a system. You have a link to something I can review?

Ask Madam Curie how she feels about that.

You think we did not notice? :joy: Just be careful and not overuse your power. Not everyone is Teflon coated.

Hi.

Could’ve sworn I’ve seen others as well, but the xTool Fire Safety Set is the only one I’m able to find ATM??.
And as I disagree with their protectionistic policies, I don’t feel comfortable with promoting their products by posting a direct link.
Easy enough for You to find though.

The pioneers in any field have often paid the same price.
And countless others have used unwilling human test subjects in order to save their own hide…

You lost me there, I’m pretty sure You weren’t present at those times.
And obviously I made sure (enough) that the flying debris didn’t hit anyone, not too severely anyway :wink:.

Regards,
Sam

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Back to the reality of indoor fires- my sweetie bought two stovetop fire ‘pods’ they are magnetic to attach over the burners and have fuses incorportated in the bottom of a small tin can affair [stovefire I think is the brand] and I keep looking at them- they are for grease fires of course- and Amazon has fire links that appear to be two pieces of sheet metal soldered together and the temp when the solder melts and pulls apart could be used to trigger a CO2 extinguisher on the outside of the enclosure. Could be used mechanically or electrically? Another for my endless Wanna Do list, Gene

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These I assume:

Couldn’t find exactly with a quick glance but based on the looks, I’d assume powder of some sort is the extinguishing medium.
And a spring loaded liquid filled bulb (like in the traditional sprinkler heads) is the fuse/trigger.

You do raise a valid and very important point though: the extinguishing part is easy, accurate and dependable detection and trigger mechanism is nothing but.

At least us xTool diode laser owners have found out just how finicky a flame detector can be when designed incorrectly, and I’d assume the other manufacturers aren’t much better.

There are several automatic mechanical fire (damper) fuse designs available for various applications and fire damper designs, the two strips joined together by temperature sensitive joining medium is only one of them.

In the old days those were soldered with Woods metal -or similar alloys if ~70C wasn’t the target temperature- but AFAIK plastic adhesives are preferred now in both the plunger- and strip varities.
Except for critical applications where the legislation and cost structure is different.
It’s easy to understand as to why the soldered varities are being phased out by just looking at the composition of those alloys, the base metals are harmful if not downright toxic, not to mention expensive.

:grinning_face: that kind of a list is very, very familiar to me as well.

One extinguishing method I’d like to explore more at some point is the Marioff HiFog, that’s a very effective and gentle sensitive equipment fire extinguishing system.

Regards,
Sam

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Drove 5 hours to visit my 87yo bro yesterday and had time to think. The fusible link could/should trigger a relay to cut off the power to the laser and power to the exhaust fan to limit the spread of fire and could trip off a CO2 extinguisher plumbed thru the enclosure wall. More to come as I work out the kinks. Gene

$2000+ for it, not in my budget. With it using water, make sure power is off before firing it off.

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True, that’s bascally how some of the fire suppression systems are triggered.
Those kinds of systems that are triggered with fusible links are somewhat hard to calibrate though, especially if the ambient temperature varies a lot.

:slight_smile: I thought that it was clear by now that I’m a diyholic, so I was talking about a DIY version.
Commercial CO2 and Halon based systems are in the same price range though.

Nope, not necessary.

The system can use deionized/treated water if necessary, and IIRC was designed to offer an alternative to Halon based systems in sensitive environments.
Including electrical equipment environments like server rooms, data centers and such.
For example, at least the last two Spirit Class cruise ships (early 2000’s) had Hi-Fog systems installed in the technical areas and in the galleys.

Regards,
Sam

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