Tube arcs to machine body

I managed to catch this on video, the tube seems fine, cuts and engraves, this happens more when engraving though.

Every so often I hear a crack, and figured something was going on, so I opened the end of the gantry and saw this happening. Usually just after starting a job and maybe again in 30 mins if running a long job.

Been doing it for few weeks, sometimes not doing it for few days then doing it more.

Tube problem? Is only 3 years old and like I say cus fine.

Power supply?

Grounding issue?

Anyone had this and solved it, ideas please.

Regards Neil

Nice pic!

Make sure the black ground return wire at the other end is properly connected and terminated back at the high voltage power supply.

From an electronics point of view, you have an insulation breakdown or high humidity (or condensation on the glass tube). Do not allow this condition to persist, even if it does not seem to hurt operation.

Can you tell us where it originates and terminates? It it originating under the red end cap?

This sounds almost like an insulation failure, but usually once the hole is there, hv doesn’t have much trouble finding it.

I assume it’s outside the tube?

Generally when we see this, the tube has failed. The lps keeps increasing voltage until it reaches trigger voltage and the tube starts to conduct. If the tube doesn’t conduct, then the lps keeps increasing voltage and it can punch through the hv insulation. I’ve never seen a tube that would work then fail then work.. Doesn’t mean they don’t exist, I’ve never seen one.

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Yes it’s outside the tube. Coming from under the silicon sleeve down to the frame, don’t know if it’s touching the tube or not.

Has been doing it for a good few weeks couple months and tube cutting specs have not changed so assume the tube is fine.

I’ve bought some silicon grease to fill the sleeve and cover the hv join to the tube. See if the insulation has become weak.

The silicon sleeve is there to protect you from this. Might have a look in there and see if anything telling.

Turn the laser power supply off a couple hours before you work on this. The anode end (high voltage) has a very high impedance and can act like a capacitor and takes time to bleed off.

Visually check it. These run such a high voltage that you can’t really check much to help diagnose an issue. I’d target where it’s arcing and see if that fixes it.

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Check out this vid around the 10 minute mark. I would check the wire is secure to the tube.

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I do have the HV connected with a circle spade connector, could this cause the issue do you think, maybe I should remove this and just put the wire under the screw

That looks pretty secure. I wouldn’t rule it out though. That’s 2 connections VS 1. You could always give it a try if you have enough wire. How do the other connections look.

If there’s no holes in the insulation, this isn’t the issue.

Keep in mind that this is a 20 to 30kV area, so it doesn’t draw much current and with these high voltages, I’d leave it as is.

Look for a replacement cap, that’s it’s purpose.

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The ring lug puts a sharp metal edge half an inch away from the metal cap and creates an air gap under the silicone HV insulating cap. As a result, the silicone cap isn’t doing much: the arc travels through the air along the wire, latches onto the conductive dust coating the tube surface, and proceeds to the nearest part of the frame.

To do:

  • Cut off the ring lug
  • Wash the tube with water + detergent
  • Wipe the tube with 90% (-ish) isopropyl, not fancy rubbing alcohol with skin-softening lotion
  • Wash & wipe the cap inside & out
  • Wipe the wire with alcohol
  • Attach the wire directly to the screw
  • Install the silicone cap

Inspect the inside of the cap. If it’s charred from the arc, replace it. The charred residue forms a low-resistance path between the glass tube and the cap.

Ordinary RTV silicone adhesive / caulk is not rated for high voltage applications. The curing process releases acetic acid which provides a relatively low-resistance path for high voltages.

If that arc reaches any wiring inside the machine, it will instantly kill the controller.

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HI,

Before I saw your reply here is what I did so far.

I turned the ring lug 180 deg, so the hv wire comes round the hv metal end and attaches so this lug is inside the cap completely.

I cleaned everything with alcohol.

I covered everything over the screw and lug with dielectric grease and pushed some into the cap, to keep any moisture out and help insulate.

Machine has been engraving for about 30mins so far with no sparks.

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That and the cleaning should get you most of the way to the goal.

If the arc reappears, more cleanliness and smaller air gaps may help. :sparkler:

The other thing that might help is to use a silicone tube as a nice thick insulation sleeve in that area.

Something like this:

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