Curved lines suddenly squiggly

Hi, so I have been burning lazy susan heads and some other designs that involve lots of curved lines. No big deal. It’s been working fine.

All of a sudden, however, the machine is turning curved lines into squiggly lines. No idea what’s up. I’ve cleaned the gantry rails and reapplied new grease.

I even redownloaded the files as SVGs and the same issue is happening, so it’s not a software issue as far as I know (they burned correctly for several days and now there’s the issue.)(

I’ve attached pics.





Please help

Check to see if a mirror has worked itself loose, the focus lens is loose inside the laser head, or the entire head is ready to fall off.

Sometimes it happens with no warning:

:grin:

Thank you Ed for your quick reply.

Sometimes I need things spelled out, so I hope you don’t mind :slight_smile:

Once I check to make sure the mirror mounts are secure, do I just see if the mirrors themselves wobble or move by hand?

Also, can you remind me how to get the laser head off (I have an omtech c02)? Once off, how do I check the focus lens?

I spent hours (like many people) re-calibrating my machine a few months ago so I’m just nervous about messing things up, hence the many questions.

Well I ended up doing a square frame and it went perfectly. Then when I did a circle frame the entire laser head was shuddering the entire circle. You can visibly see it, but when I tried to take a video, it was difficult to tell.

Any idea why the laser head would be shaking when doing a circle and not a square? I’ve checked all the nuts. The nuts are tight, the laser head doesn’t move by hand at all. No wires are pinched that I can tell.

Ok, so I posted a few days ago about my laser suddenly doing wavy lines when doing curved lines. Here’s a pic. Well I ended up doing a square frame and it went perfectly. Then when I did a circle frame the entire laser head was shuddering the entire circle. You can visibly see it, but when I tried to take a video, it was difficult to tell.

Any idea why the laser head would be shaking when doing a circle and not a square? I’ve checked all the nuts. The nuts are tight, the laser head doesn’t move by hand at all. No wires are pinched that I can tell.

Here’s how this plays:

  • First time: “This can’t happen!”
  • Second time: “That doesn’t seem right.”
  • Third time: “Oh, again.”

:grin:

They’re held in place by a threaded lock ring that can, astonishingly, work itself loose; it’ll be obvious if it’s not snug.

You can bodge the ring tight with snap ring pliers:

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=snap+ring+pliers

After doing that for a while, I made a pin wrench:

AFAICT, nobody sells a similar pin wrench, which suggests everybody gets by with snap ring pliers.

You probably don’t need to take it completely off, just check to be sure all the screws are snug. A few folks have discovered the screws were kinda tight in totally stripped holes, so give 'em a gentle twist with a hex key to make sure they’re not just fronting like they’re secure.

Mine has three screws for vertical adjustment, a quartet into the X axis carrier, plus another pair for the belts:

The knurled ring tightens a collet holding the focus tube. I think it turns backwards; maybe I’m just looking at it from the wrong end, but I added a label reminding me which way it turns.

The lens sits inside the nozzle, secured by another lock ring. To get in there, you (well, I) must remove the assist air fitting, unscrew the nozzle, then check the lock ring.

The nozzle should be finger-tight, but the first time I tried, I had to deploy a strap wrench to break it loose.

This is enough of a hassle nobody takes it apart without powerful motivation, which you now have.

The thing nobody knows before the laser arrives: you must become an expert repair tech, because nobody else is. Take notes, be gentle, and remind yourself it’s a learning experience.

Thanks :slight_smile:
Ok, so I’ve checked the laser and the focus lens. I’ve looked at the gears (none look cracked or broken). I’ve also checked all the screws.

When it does the circular designs, there’s a lot of clicking going on that there didn’t use to be, before this problem developed.

Maybe it is your stepper motors on the fritz. Do check the drive belts for tightness and the carriage for smooth travel.

Having eliminated the usual suspects, now things get … interesting. :frowning_face:

Run this backlash test pattern on cardboard as fast as it will go:

BacklashTest.lbrn2 (197.6 KB)

The result should come out looking exactly like the LightBurn layout, with lines meeting where they should, correct spacing, and no loose ends. If so, that helps rule out simple mechanical backlash.

Hi Jim,

I checked those. Nothing out of the ordinary.

So what is Mechanical backlash?

One thing I’ve also noticed is that the estimated burn time that lightburn used to provide no longer even gets close to the actual length of the burn. In other words, it’s taking 1:24 to burn something lightburn says takes 0:25.

Unfortunately


, from the pic, you can still tell there is an issue with curved lines.

Any looseness in the drive train from the motor to the laser head, where turning “in the other direction” doesn’t do anything until it turns enough to take up the looseness. It’s typically caused by a loose setscrew in a motor pulley or shaft coupling, but can be a loose belt or wobbly laser head.

The key thing to look at in the test pattern will be the gaps in the X and Y spaces:

At this point, I expect they’ll look (and measure) just fine, but if so, that will rule out some mechanical problems.

That is new news and a valuable clue.

The obvious question is “What changed?”

LightBurn’s estimate is based on a simulation using the speed & acceleration values read from the controller. If you did not update those values through Edit → Device Settings → Additional Settings → Read From Controller, then something in the controller changed.

Go to Edit → Machine Settings → Vendor Settings, agree you won’t mess anything up, and upload screen shots (no cellphone pix, please) of the X Axis and Y Axis settings.

First of all, thank you for your patience. I really appreciate you giving me the step by step instructions of what you needed. That really helps.

Second, I’ve included a screenshot of the backlash test you sent me. Why do the words show up reversed on mine?

Third, here are the controller settings. Again, thank you very much for your patience and help. (and to everyone who’s chipped in here!)

settings 1
settings 2
settings 3
settings 4

That file isn’t quite old enough to vote, but it apparently dates back to the dawn of time, was likely set up on a machine with a different origin, and seems broken in many ways.

For a fun time, export it and open the SVG in, say, Inkscape.

And, as expected, they look perfectly serviceable.

FWIW, both PWM Rising Edge Valid switches are False, so it (probably) won’t suffer from the Ruida skewed engraving error.

Compare the other Vendor Settings with what works here to see if anything seems grossly different:

Note that the Max Acceleration in the Cut Parameters section is much lower than the values for the axes, which may tend to smooth the motions around the small vectors in the curves. Unless it’s very different in your machine, it probably makes no difference.

Both Backlash values should be zero.

At this point, IMO we’ve eliminated all the usual suspects and most of the oddities, so I’m out of ideas.