HELP! CX Laser from AliExpress vs Monport GM 60w JPT MOPA

Hi all,

I am about to pull the trigger on my first Fiber laser. I have decided on a setup utilizing a JPT MOPA 60w laser source. The laser will be used largely for wristwatch customization projects and part fabrication, mostly dials. a few parts that i engrave might have rounded surfaces, but for 90-95% of the time, i will be engraving and cutting flat sheet metal. I am currently debating between the two options:

Option 1:
Monport GM 60W MOPA
Manual Focus
Add M52 110x110mm lens ($75)
Total Cost: ~$3150.00

Option Two:
CX Laser (AliExpress)
Autofocus
Rotary included (optional for $175)
110x110mm lens
Total Price shipped after dicount code: $3000-3175.00
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806509848829.html?spm=a2g0o.cart.0.0.7f1938daDpOgPd&mp=1&pdp_npi=5%40dis!USD!USD%204125.15!USD%202928.86!!!!!%402103244617423266686027127eb097!12000038033951798!ct!US!163605282!!1!0&_gl=1*14sazwr*_gcl_aw*R0NMLjE3NDE5OTY4NDEuQ2p3S0NBandwOC0tQmhCUkVpd0FqN29nMXlCUFRIQ3o2ZnMwU0s2eDJfRE1UNURGTFJNVTdZQmNtMndKMUo1TE4ySU1hLWN5bmNuXzFob0N0N0FRQXZEX0J3RQ.._gcl_dcR0NMLjE3NDE5OTY4NDEuQ2p3S0NBandwOC0tQmhCUkVpd0FqN29nMXlCUFRIQ3o2ZnMwU0s2eDJfRE1UNURGTFJNVTdZQmNtMndKMUo1TE4ySU1hLWN5bmNuXzFob0N0N0FRQXZEX0J3RQ.._gcl_auODE0MTAyNzM5LjE3MzczMjM0MzM._gaNjA5NjUwOTE2LjE3NDIyMzU2MTU._ga_VED1YSGNC7MTc0MjMyNDgyNC43LjEuMTc0MjMyNzc3OS40OS4wLjA.&gatewayAdapt=glo2usa

It is my understanding that both lasers are manufactured in China, and my experience with the monport sales rep did not give me much confidence that they would be much different than the other company. my three questions are as follows:

A. is there any reason to believe that the build quality or daily performance of the two units is any different? Ive heard that they are pretty much identical aside from the autofocus, but i have also heard rumors that aliexpress lasers use B-grade (factory reject) parts. I do not know if there is any empirical basis to either claim.

B. If i go with the CX, Is having autofocus and a rotary worth the extra $25? I can save about $125 losing the rotary, but at the price point, it seems quite practical to go ahead and purchase it.

C. Is there anything else i should be considering?

both are lightburn compatible. I have a split PC & MAC setup.

let me know your thoughts.

Sincerely,
Tyler

I have a “cheap” model with M52 Lenses but that will limit you, you cannot get a 300x300 lens and I think 70x70 lenses are not available either if the other laser has an M79 / M85 thread you will have more options for lenses.

The CX, seems nice, but I’d ensure it’s lenses are compatible with most other machines. It is not a split system as the source appears to be within the table or base of the machine.

I have never seen this type of autofocus, so have no idea how it does or doesn’t work.

Lightburn doesn’t have any kind of way to tell Z axes what to do, so who or how do you control it?

I don’t have any reason to downgrade Monport and a fiber laser. However I have seen some poor engineering done on their co2 machines they had shipped that didn’t work correctly. I’ve heard great things about Haotion and OMG among others that have low prices along with good customer service and quick deliveries. It’s always wise to email any of these people and see what kind of a deal they’ll give you.

Generally speaking, no, there isn’t most of these parts, control board, galvo head and laser source, come from the same factories. Only JPT makes JPT sources.

Having worked at a factory that sold expensive equipment, it the piece didn’t work as expected they wanted to know why. As the price of the piece drops, it becomes less expensive to sell off the item to other vendors to put in their machines. Someone posted a photo of an 80W Reci tube, that when opened had the Reci notation that it produced only 75W tube… so no doubt it was a 2nd.

A tube is difficult to disassemble and fix it’s issue, likely not so bad for a fiber source at the factory with all the necessary tools.

With a fiber, I think most of the components a vendor purchases are likely within specifications. I’ve been burnt by Aliexpress a few times so they are off my list as far as buying anything from them.

Most places will let you drop the rotary. To use a rotary you need a motor stepper driver along with wiring, so they could drop the price, if you have no need.

If it’s as @Enno stated and the lens is non standard, it will limit you. Since Lightburn doesn’t seems to be able to control Z, I don’t know how their auto focus works.

Good luck

:smiley_cat:

lenses variety is not a high priority. both machines have 70mm all the way past 200. my engraving area is typically less than 40mm, and a mentor has suggested that i use a 110x110. Both have that lens and the ability to swap out later.

I got my 60W JPT M7 MOPA built to spec almost 3 years ago from XT laser, haven’t had any issues, they answered a lot of questions and worked with me for several months before purchase. Got exactly what I wanted, nothing I didn’t need. If you want a contact for my sales advisor, let me know. Wouldn’t hurt to get a quote, and all these guys do is build fiber lasers, have been for years. Mine came with an inexpensive laptop with ezcad software calibrated to each of the 3 lenses that came with it. Rotary worked, and they had me on a whatsapp for unboxing, assembly, power on.

I would not recommend this “laser in the base” setup. I saw an evaluation that showed the throughholes in the work bed actually went through into the interior of the case, that’s absurdly unacceptable. These things produce metal dust that is really bad for electronics and optics. I don’t know if they’re all built like that. The pic for yours does indeed seem to have the holes go into the case. I don’t see where they’d be able to mount a second wall inside, and if they did the dust would be trapped. And if they were doing that they’d just have made the case wall a normal solid wall and bolted the work fixture table on top with open sides on the gap.

Not all “JPT MOPA M7” of a certain wattage are the same product. I know the 100W had an “-E-” and “-E2-” version. The manual for my 300W lists two different part numbers with very different performance numbers. AND when I contacted JPT to get that manual, they said they couldn’t give me a manual from just the part number, they had to have my unit’s serial number. Because apparently they changed specs without changing the part number??? That sounds hard to believe. Actually the manual covered the two part numbers, nothing about any sub-variants within a part number. Maybe the JPT guy I was getting the manual from had this wrong.

I believe the “autofocus” is a simple Time Of Flight sensor alongside the motorized up/down buttons.

I haven’t worked with one, but a ToF sensor is not likely to be accurate enough, or even work right in enough cases for me to want it. It targets a spot offset from the center, so it would be useless for, say, engraving a coin. Or any small object.

The depth of focus on a F160 110x110 lens is a mm or so.

There is a “true” dynamic focusing galvo system that dynamically changes the focus at high speed during the marking. It’s something in the optics, it’s not raising and lowering the Z mechanically which would be far too slow. AFAIK it works from a scan taken first to map the height but I don’t know much other than knowing all the “autofocus” galvo products on AliExpress aren’t this.

The head I use has two red-dot laser pointers that you manually set up to converge at the focal point for the current lens. It’s quicker and simpler. It will get you “ballpark” but often you need to adjust a bit by hand to get the “biggest spark”

So far I’ve used the 110x110 lens quite a bit and has been my go-to size. I played with the 50mmx50mm lens, it was neat to see how small I could make detail but its DoF was so shallow a 1" area of blank PCB wasn’t flat enough to stay in focus (I’m sure I could take measures to flatten it, just saying, it’s difficult)

All lenses have the same trade-off due to diffraction rules:

  1. the spot size diameter of the focal point is proportional to the focal length. Half the focal length=spot diameter is half. Smaller spot allows for greater detail, BUT, you have to decrease your line interval by half and take 2x more passes to get a smooth bottom.
  2. Energy density at the focal point goes up with the SQUARE of the reciprocal of focus. That is, the area of a circle is pi*r^2. Half the radius is 1/4 the area. So much more energy density
  3. The Depth of Focus (DoF) is proportional to focal length. So the work under a 70x70 has to be really flat. DoF has a mathematical definition, but not an absolute discrete limit in reality- you’ll always lose a little performance being out of focus within the DoF limit, and it’s not going to suddenly stop cutting when you are out of focus by 101% of the DoF limit.

Also, the primary reason these galvo machines “can’t cut thick material” is the angle of the beam. The beam starts at basically the center of that lens and has a significant diameter up there- probably about 10mm dia? I don’t know for sure, I’ll try to measure soon. It starts at that diameter at the lens and focuses along a cone until it reaches that min focal spot size. Now, the unique feature of the “F-theta” lens is that all the focal points the mirrors can send it to are on the same plane, rather than a fixed distance which would have made its focal points along sphere.

The diffraction rule’s formula for spot size and DoF also takes the dia of the beam going into the lens, and that varies by setup. And it’s the opposite of what most people would guess- starting with a beam 2x wider before going into the lens means it focal spot decreases to 1/2, energy density increases by 4x, but DoF goes down by 1/2- notably this is the same set of effects you get when changing to a lens with 1/2 the focal length. Except you are physically still placing the work at the focal distance written on the lens.

I measured my spot size on JPT M7 300W YDFLP-E-300-M7-M-R with an F160 110x110 lens as being about 0.025mm.

That looks like a RC1001 galvo head. A cheap system is going to be that or the SG7110/RC7110. I have the SG7110 but paid about $500 for the faster SG7210 as an upgrade. I looked online and I don’t see consistent numbers on the specs so I can’t say whether SG7110 or RC1001 is “faster”.

They’re a bit subjective in that either one can go significantly faster but would be too inaccurate to cut like that. I did see one of the low-end systems on Youtube showing some pretty distorted marking at full speed so really that should not be rated for making at that speed. But you do need to do some tuning to get it working right to begin with and I think most users don’t even do that.

Jack (@jkwilborn ) hinted at it, there is NO Aliexpress support to be obtained. If it breaks, who you gonna call, Ghost Busters?

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the galvo head in mine started making a whine then stopped working within a few weeks

the aliexpress seller just shipped me a replacement galvo head on their dime

the sg7110 head is only like $200 or so i spent another $500 to get a faster sg7210 upgrade anyways

there’s a bjjcz galvo controller, a big dc power supply for the mopa source, a few smaller dc supplies, and fans in that machine, aside from the mopa itself.

there’s no proprietary control boards or anything else inside

I’m saying that aside from a failure in the mopa laser itself, anything that breaks is fairly cheap and easy to replace without relying on the vendor. for me, mfg support is almost more hassle than it’s worth when i can just buy a replacement part cheap enough. like if the mfg HAD ghosted me when the galvo head failed,
well, i was going to buy an upgrade galvo head anyways so it wouldn’t have actually cost me anything more to buy it earlier. and actually I’m pretty sure it only had a grounding prob i could have fixed and back up in an hour if i could break the warranty seals

AliExpress is often dramatically cheaper. since this stuff is replaceable, if the vendor stiffed me i just call that cost of doing business. if i was forced to buy a replacement galvo head, that’s still a much cheaper bottom line than Cloudray etc. and like i say if Cloudray etc gave me any hassle with replacement parts it’s not worth it like if they said I need to ship off my galvo head off to them first and wait for their tech to evaluate whether it should be replaced and that adds weeks before i will be back up and running, I’m half inclined to just buy another head on my own dime.

btw if you’re in USA don’t forget a 20% tariff is in effect and that is not included in their price. agaik that also applies even to ones that say “ships from USA”

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Thank you for your thoughtful reply. I actually contacted the Aliexpress vendor directly and was able to get their full package (laser, rotary, lens, 2 year warranty) for $2916 shipped, no sale tax. According to the CX sales rep, they use equal-grade parts as monport. furthermore, After talking to Monport’s sales rep on the phone, the best that they were willing to offer was $3200, but this was for their GM model which does not have an autofocus mechanism, whereas the CX laser does have that feature if i want to use it. Monport would also not allow me to select my preferred lens, and instead wanted me to purchase the engraver, and then use “points” to purchase an extra lens on their website after my initial purpose. The 110x100mm lens came included with the CX, so i felt Monport was giving me the runaround and the extra hassle on top of spending $184 extra simply was not worth it given i can use that to get a full lightburn license so that i am not limited to EZcad.

The only advantage i see to the monport is that it is black which has more “cool” factor… I think I can deal with the weird yellow machine :laughing:

I paid for the CX laser today. I will keep my fingers crossed for an overall positive experience.

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you’ll get plenty of value out of it. but like I say, worry a lot about those throughholes in the fixture letting crud into the case interior

the F160 110x110 is the best general purpose lens for me so far. if you need other lenses, you can still buy those cheap from AliExpress

look on youtube for videos on how to set the timing (laser ton/toff etc). it’s important and a lot of people don’t do it

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A few other members have addressed this, but the CX from Ali does come with a 2 year warranty, and i have to say that pre-sale, they have been very responsive and easy to communicate with. The english was much better than i am used to dealing with when buying parts overseas for my watchmaking hobby.

They do have mixed reviews, so If their post-sales support becomes a bust, i will have to deal with it myself. As someone who has modified their PC, i feel mostly comfortable with minor part swaps in conjunction with community support from forum/fb group members. like was said by another poster, dealing with the headache is the cost of doing business for getting the “chinese discount”

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would it be prudent to cover the hole with a piece of sheet metal?

Most of us screw things down to the table… I’d be lost without mounting holes.

I was hoping you’d advise us of if they went through as @Dannym suggested. That would be bad.

:smiley_cat:

If i ultimately decide that the CX is not performing up to par, i will definitely take you up on that. its hard to think a custom built laser could be competitively priced, but if its a matter of getting what i paid for, then that’s just the cost of doing business.

Free to get a price. They had good prices 3 years ago, better then SX . Got killed on the tarrif.

Danny, I changed my purchase from the desktop integrated model to the split setup at your suggestion. I enquired about upgrading to SG7210 head, so i will see what they say

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I don’t think so, most often you get bolts longer than the hole so you can screw down things tall things, but you’d likely need to bottom of the hole open when you screw down shorter things so the bolt can go through.

And where does stuff that falls into the holes ultimately end up if the holes are blind?

Changing to the split setup sounds like a good call.

Hey Danny,
I agree, it will also make my desk space look a bit less overcrowded.

Also, I was able to upgrade from the stock RC1001 to the SG7210 galvo head for $340. AliX has some great coupons right now, and i was able to get an extra $50 off of that. So the upgrade was only $290. I trust this was a smart decision?

Thanks for all of your advice again. I am just a newbie and having someone else who knows :poop: from Shinola certainly is a massive help.

I haven’t actually gotten my SG7210 yet. It was processed a day after the orange one signed an order repealing his repeal of the $800 de minimis tariff exemption, so it shouldn’t be subject the tariff they’re trying to bill me for and I’m disputing that.

Keep in mind I have the 300W, so it’s more likely I will have more unused power available and the limiting factor is how fast the galvo will scan and maybe I could get the job done faster.