PiBurn rotary on Y axis w/ 6445G not responsive to setting changes

I have connected a PiBurn rotary to the dedicated rotary plug in our 100 Watt Blue & White laser. We have a switch on the front panel that turns off the Y and activates the rotary plug.

I have set the steps per rotation at 16000 (6400 steps x 2.5 PiBurn gear ratio) and set the roller diamter to 63.7.

I created the 10mm wide x 100mm long test rectangle per the PiBurn manual. I marked a tumbler with a start and end mark 100mm apart.

When I frame the job, it will make one complete rotation on the tumbler and continue to the end mark.

No matter what changes I make to the settings whether in machine settings or in rotary setup, nothing makes a difference on what the rotary does.

The only thing that will change what the rotary does is if I change the rectangle size to 10mm x 25.4mm and then it will move the 100mm from the start mark to the end mark on the tumbler

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Where did you get these numbers?

Did you get this operational before you added the ‘switch’?

Does it make a complete ‘frame’ properly then continue on or does it ‘frame’ then go backwards to the ‘origin’?

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The 6400 steps came from the microstepping table on the driver based on the dip switch positioning.

dip siwtches

Microstepping table

The switch is original to the machine as bought from manufacturer.

It will move left the 10mm then make one complete rotation of the entire tumbler and on to the end mark. Then it will move right the 10mm and rotate backwards back to the starting position and stop.

You have not had this operational?

Could it be ‘mirroring’?

Is the motor on the right side of the bed or left side?

Mine was swapped and gave me a mirrored result. Almost sounds like that.

Swapped the fields and now…

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No, it has not operated correctly yet. The only thing I have got from it so far is what was explained.

Mine is currently on the right like your second picture.

If you jog the Y axes towards the operator, which direction dose the top of the object move, towards the operator or away?

Ensure both software and machine are set to the same units.

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It moves away from the operator.

Sounds like it’s connected properly, at least it’s moving in the right direction.

Did you use the ‘test’ button in the ‘Tools → Rotary Setup’?

From Lightburn Rotary Setup

“Click the Test button to verify that the roller or chuck makes one full rotation, pauses, then returns.”

If this doesn’t present a solution, I guess we will have to go over the configuration in a little more detail.

The only thing I modified when I installed mine was the rotary information. At least to get it working.

Make sure you have saved a copy of the Ruida configuration before you go hacking around.

I have a few, couple for grbl controllers and a couple for the Ruida. One is the current settings for no rotary, the other is for the rotary.

When you get it up, slow things down… I have sometimes set my acceleration and speeds in the single digits. Probably the most dependable engraving for me has been a scan type, not a vector.

Good luck

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When using the test button on the rotary setup, the only way that I can get it to make one complete rotation and return is to change the roller diameter to .65" even though my rollers are 2.5"

If I change the roller diameter, it will make a change. If I change the steps, it does not make any change at all.

If I put a tumbler on it and change the roller diameter .92", I can get the tumbler to make one rotation. But even with that setting, If I frame the 10mm x 100mm rectangle, it still runs the same as it has from the beginning on the test rectangle. None of the changes made in rotary setup effect what the framing does.

The one rotation refers to the ‘driving wheel’ not to an object on the PiBurn… to be clear…

This is how you ensure the stepper/gear ratio computations are correct.

All the documentation, I thought, came in mm, what roller is 2.5"?

I think my ‘wheel’ is set to 62mm, I think… Should be close to yours…

Is the driving wheel making one complete turn and returning?

This has got to be some kind of configuration issue…

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Yes, the one rotation is the drive wheel and NOT an object.

Our machine is running inch measurements and not mm.

Our wheels are 63.5 mm or 2.5" with the O-rings, but I can only get it to make one rotation by setting it to .65" or 16.5mm

Yes, making a rotation and returning.

That would indicate there is an issue with the actual motor. Steps or something is diffrernt.

You need to zero in on the supplied PiBurn motor and ensure it’s the same or can interface as your Y axes. I assume that’s what’s ‘switched’ on the console.

Might try setting the machine up for just the motor making one turn…

I believe the your machine is looking at 6400 steps/rotation of the motor. If you set it for the 6400 (no gear ratio) and the ‘motor’ does not turn one complete turn and return, that’s a problem.

I’m suspicious that the motor type might be an issue…

At this point, it’s pretty clear the steps/rotation is in question. You have a very nice machine, maybe the motor differ…?

Wish I knew more about stepper motor variations… to help guide you

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Jack,

I would like to thank you for the time and effort that you put into trying to find a resolution to our problem.

I am happy to report that it is now working correctly. I was totally out of options so I downloaded and installed the latest firmware from MW Lasers sight and that seems to have corrected things.

I have ran a few samples, and so far so good.

Thanks again for everything. Take care.

That’s always a welcome fix …

Had me pretty stumped was running out of ideas myself…

Good luck, might want to mark it ‘solved’ so others can find it…

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