First Timer setting up new CO2 laser (60 watt delivered)

It appears that OMtech has 3-6 of the same model albeit with different descriptions. Always same price or $100 more or less. I couldn’t find anything about it anywhere. I’m guessing they mean the RUIDA controller.

It says it’s 330 lbs shipped, not sure if that means the unit AND the box it comes in. Going to be a challenge getting in the apartment no matter how I slice the cake.

47.24 x 34.26 x 36.61 inches We have a Kitchen Island style table from Ikea that is our kitchen dining table/desk. It will be close to the size of it. We really don’t get many guests, and we are trying to create other streams of revenue so we can save enough for the down payment on a house with a garage. I’m apparently “the laser guy” according to my wife. We only chose this size/wattage for very few reasons. Power, features like autofocus and powered table, and last but not least, side vent exhaust. Even with a back exhaust and a 90 degree flange, other laser models will stick out as far as this one for the most part. Figured if we are going to invest we are going to invest. I know I’ll be tinkering and learning so I will try to keep questions to a min. I know how to use the search function and I mean to use it!

If the need comes we will turn it into a table and have stuff draped over it. o’dourves anyone? :sweat_smile:

If it’s me, we’ll eat the o’dourves quick so we can uncover the good stuff…

So it’s probably around 300 lbs, with a lot of really cheap type of plywood they come in… At least it’s on wheels :slight_smile:

I don’t know about this but logic seems to indicate a rear exhaust would be more advantageous for cutting or engraving rather than side mounted. Especially if the X axes are the longer.

I noticed you purchased a filter… Some of these have mentioned the cost of a new filter for these machines. I saw one where her made a slot on the inside of the cabinet to hold a a filter to pick up the larger parts that plug up his expensive filters. Looked like it worked well.

That’s a big box, I’m sure you’ll love it.

Take care :slight_smile:

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I am unsure of how it’s built, all I can see are photos from others. If need be I can poke a hole in it but am trying to avoid it.

I know some folks have used HEPA filters. and honestly? I looked at the OMTech version they have. But for the $250 they cost I thought I’d try something they use here in Colorado to grow marijuana and hide the smell. Going to put it into a box and see if it works. If not, I’ll buy the expensive one. I can make a pre filter. Not hard at all.

These filters are cheap, have activated carbon etc and looks like it could work with some mods. I am going to build a pre filter and then pull it through and see if it works. I live in an apartment so I can’t vent the exhaust almost directly into the neighbor below mines window. I won’t know if I’ve made the right decision until it all arrives, I hook it all up and see what happens. I guess this is the tinkering part.

300 lb laser, 2nd story?

This stuff has to be vented outside.

We have an elevator and yes, I know it has to be vented outside. Thats why I researched filters. My Diode laser noone has complained about because we have a large patio, everyone smokes weed and some neighbors have cats. a lot of cats, which smells like cat pee. However venting a laser that is many times more powerful presents it’s own problems so I am going to try a fume extractor setup. If it doesn’t work I am buying a “professional” one. You gotta do what you gotta do.

Sounds like you have it handled… Just making sure. Hate to lose people :slight_smile:

You’ll have to keep us updated on your purchase.

Take care :smiley_cat:

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Like everyone else, I will run into unforeseen challenges. I will share them for the next No0b.

Yes, it is a bit opaque and annoying to find the information with a shovel and a flashlight. On your purchase, however, you have at least one “model number” AF2028-60, which indicates the size, autofocus and Watt effect. I have looked at 3 different sales ads from Amazon here in Europe, all with the same machine, same pictures and price and yet small difference. It is very irritating that all the information has to be pulled out of the nose from OMT and in the end you still do not know 100% what you are buying. There will definitely be room for a reseller in the EU who took care of the task for a small commission. (there are some, but they have a different business concept, they paste a different name on the machine, change 3 sockets and set the price up by 100% - it’s rude and ridiculous)

Good luck with your machine, I’m excited about how it goes with working with that little monster in an apartment. I hope you get a handle on the noise and exhaust issues. I have also found your filter in different sizes, properly mounted, they can work a bit as a silencer. If I was not so far along in the process of my own filter construction, I would try the one you showed.

Stay healthy everyone

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If you get the 28x20 sized model the legs will come off. Once you take the out wood off the pallet. Remove the laser tube before tearing the base off the machine. Glass tubes do not like jarring hits :wink:. The top is still going to be a handful to move around. I had to stand mine up to navigate the doors and hallway. I used a wooded dolly from horrible freight.

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It might be that these companies have no idea about what’s coming in. The Chinese are not the best at keeping up communications outside of china. Add to that, there is no fixed standard.

It’s pretty well known, items that don’t pass the technical standards for the application are not thrown out, they are sold to other ‘manufacturers’ trying to make a lower cost machine. Most of us don’t know if the response of the power supply is actually within specifications or if it’s detrimental to operations, since most of us get these as a first laser.

I could see that my laser was never opened on arrival. It was not ‘checked’ out by anyone and don’t think it’s seen light since it was packed in China. Inside the machine was this

I had to supply the tie wrap. I really doubt that OMT actually ran this after it’s delivery to the USA. The crate was so cheap, I lifted and slid my chiller across it and it tore up two layers of the plywood. I would have been at odds to reassemble it.

I think in the end, most of the stuff is functional but the configuration isn’t written in stone. Don’t know how many times I’ve seen someone post the manufacturer stated it uses a Ruida, now they question if RTK332N or RXKT332 are really Ruida. It was probably not what was expected for a Ruida controller.

You pays your money and takes your chances :slight_smile: Such is life.

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It is correctly noticed! :wink:

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If there was someone who resold in EU but had already done the basic upgrade options (simple things like getting rid of the terribly zip tied air pump) etc and made sure the machines had good tubes instead of the stuff they are shipped with, I am sure they could get a nice little commission. I am going to document everything so if/when I need to sell it it’ll be easier to sell (hopefully).

As far as noise, I am buying the quietest air pump I can get, I intend to seal the machine to prevent gases from escaping (as much as possible), and the exhaust scrubber will have a pre filter. They make that filter in multiple sizes so I can see being to easily upgrade it for better flow, might need another inline duct fan but that’s pretty cheap. Inside our place we are next to A/C for the building (right outside the window) so the noise should be minimal or close to what we are used to anyhow. It’ll be tinker town for a while for sure.

Thank you, I researched that and came to the same conclusion. I have my tools and some small dollies at the ready. I intend to tear apart the pallet it comes in, cut it to size, line it with some bubble wrap, ratchet it down to the dolly and hope for the best.

We have two of these red and black “60 watt” machines.
Both are auto focus power Z axis. The Z axis is “u” on the control, and the control is a kt332.

These machines are not 60 watt. the tube amplifier only outputs 21milliamp guaranteed. we have one that puts out 22. If you want 60 watts you will have to buy another tube amp that goes to 30 milliamps and tune accordingly.

I tuned the amp so that when the control is calling for 99% power the amp is putting out its max 22milliamp.
from the factory when the control power hits 80% there is not change in laser power going up since at control power 80% you are at 21 milliamp.

Next the red indicator for laser position is going to have to be replaced. We replaced ours with a kit that included the beam combiner, gold mirror, laser and mount. This required some mods and takes about 4 hours. I also put this on a toggle switch so the red indicator only runs when I need or want it.

For production and ease of setup, we added a grid setup plate with setup positions every one inch in x and Y. The cutting honey comb lays in on this for cutting jobs.

We added two srips of led lights, the back strip on a tilt switch so it goes off when you open the door and don’t blind you.

The included pond cooling system worked fine, but you have to enclose the water supply or it grows all kinds of nasty things. ultimately we got the two machine chiller.

You are going to have to fix the air assist. Order the $12 vlave from amazon and install using a needle valve. See above for more ideas. you will want to install a T on the cutting head and put a small amount of air to the mirror side of the head to keep the mirror from getting smoked.

Head alignment… You are going to bump the head when you bump the head its going to be two hours of hell getting the head back right. I put magnetic breakaways on both machines… it saves tens of hours every week. just pick the head up off the table and snap back in place.

Lenses… just order 2.5" and 3" focal length meniscus lenses and some orings. the longer the focal lengh the more resonance you get, but the less focus variance.

exhaust… the more the better.

One of our machines is 12uM per step and one is 24uM per step… both work fine.

Leave the controls in metric… if you switch from metric to inches and then use light burn to change parameters There is no telling what kind of corrupted mess you are about to make. Just put the control in metric and leave it. put light burn in inches and when you change parameters completely shut the machine down and restart, you should be fine.

One machine came calibrated out of the box, one was off .125" in 8"

check bolts… bolts i frame assy of both machines were loose.

One day lightburn might run the “u” axis, but till then you have to manual your different z heights.

One water flow/pressure switch leaked… we had to take it out and tighten screws. Replace all the interior ziptie clamps before they leak.

clean and rust protect the rails every few days or you will have sqiggly lines.

These machines work great. The low end power is touchy and takes about 30-45 minutes warmup to stabilize.

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Thank you for the detailed info!

Jack Wilborn: Did you take CNC Russ Sadler files to a metal fabricator, or did you buy the head from Cloudray? Was there much trouble mounting it to the Blue/White’s gantry? Thanks for all your details and photos.

Here is the price list from Russ. At least a few months ago.

It also has links to the videos, although I’ve never used those links. Cost me $109.44 USD. Most of it was shipping :frowning: Got the most of the other stuff, like the tubes and a few lenses from Cloudray.

As with any ‘remodeling’ there’s always challenges.

Part with the green bands is the bearing that slides along the X axes. Behind it is the plate the mounts to the bearing and the ends of the belt that moves that axes. The last one is the bracket that holds the head itself and is connected to the drag chain.

The first plate mounts against the bearing and the mount for the head on top of that. On other machines that first plate has it’s ‘ears’ bent where the belt mounts to the plate. This gives clearance for the bolt heads from the head bracket. There was no clearance on mine. You can see the silver bolt head for the belt connection in the picture. It is bent back on older models.

The head mount that comes towards you in the picture, has to be cut off as it interferes with the new head. Fortunately I didn’t start hacking on it until I figure out how to mount it.

I had to put it back together and cut out a couple 4mm plexiglass spacers to move the new head out a bit for clearance.

Since I moved the head along with the mirror 4mm towards me, I had to move mirror 2, 4mm towards me. My machine has access via the left side where mirror 2 lives, and allows more of a backlight shot that shows the acrylic spacer.

The only issue I have now is to shim the head a little more to get the Z axes exactly perfect. It’s the machine, not the head. Same problem with the original head, but it was severely lacking in adjustability. Not to mention the head mirror was 1.5mm off center on both entry and exit points.

It’s been up and with multiple lenses, I’m really getting to do some things now. A bit of a learning curve :slight_smile:

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Thanks for the extra detail on the head. I am in the midst of a warranty claim with OMTech about the head. It had 2 of 3 cap screws screwed into the head at an angle when I got it- I never touched them, as I considered the whole head/mount unstable. One day, while replacing the lens after cleaning, the head moved and one cap screw fell out! So now, the head is held in place, vertical by 2 cap screws. The hole left by the fallen cap screw looks like the assembler tried several times with a power tool tool to get the cap screw in- and buggered up the threads trying. So I hope to get a new head under warranty. If not, I am looking at alternatives. No replacement under warranty- no trust in the sales/import company despite advertising 2 year warranty.

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You are going to be changing it out anyway it looks like. That stuff from China is functional, but poorly designed. I’m sure it’s designed for cheap production.

If you’re up to changing stuff around, I’d recommend it. I have a set of lens, in tubes, so it only takes a second to swap them out. The head is a perfect example of “Keep It Simple Stupid” study, light weight and Y, Z adjustments that are not available on the stock head.

I believe I have the same animal as you.

You might read this thread Laser Head Upgrade - Is it worth it?:slight_smile:

There’s a long story to that heads development you can watch the video if you’re interested.

RDWorks Learning Lab 185 Lightweight head update

The laser head upgrade link has a link to Russ’ video resources. I suggest you try a few…

Take care, good luck. If you need help sing out… :slight_smile:

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I’m sure by the time I’m done only the shell will be left and even that will have “upgrades”. Still better to be able to do some production work now and upgrade as the money comes in than spend $11k upfront IMO.

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I think you hit on it! That’s why we all buy this stuff and pour money into it :slight_smile:

Out for a couple of days, but thought of this about Auto Focus Frustration. Thought it would help you with the autofocus system.

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