Longer ray5 10W engraving problem

Hi guys,

I’m new to laser engraving and just started testing different materials. Everything was fine with the material test results, but when I began engraving pieces, the problem started.

When I engrave two cork pieces with the Fill All at Once setting, I get visible lines on the engraving. However, if I engrave just one piece, or two pieces but using Fill Shapes Individually, the engraving quality is good.

Am I doing something wrong? Could this be a machine issue, or is it just a configuration problem? I even tried reducing the line spacing, but the problem still persists.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Machine: Longer Ray5 10W
Software: LightBurn Pro 2.0.03

With fill shapes individualy

With fill all at the same time

I looked real close to both images and could not see any noticable lines in the first one. Is it possible you labeled them backwards?

  1. Lines per inch?
  2. Overscan on, and what %?
  3. What % power out
  4. What Speed?
  5. Constant Power on?
  6. Laser output power %?
  7. Air assist?

In Fill All at Once, the laser can reach speeds not possible using Fill Shapes Individually. This can mean lower power into the material.

Não estou capaz de ajudar apenas com essa informação, mas não deixo de tentar vir ajudar. :wink:

Me and anyone else who wants to help. Please leave the information described by @MikeyH so you can get the best guidance.

The big difference between the two types of “Fill” you mentioned, as already mentioned, is that while you run both jobs at once, the laser, in addition to the laser module speed issue, also has the issue of the opposite end of the laser head having more time to cool. With organic materials, it’s easy to see (I think) that the temperature they reach during engraving can be crucial to the final result.

Hi guys!

@MikeyH you’re right, I labeled them backwards. Sorry about that!

Here are the settings for this job:

  • 254 lines per inch
  • Overscan on, 2.5%
  • 20% power output
  • 6000 mm/min
  • No constant power
  • No air assist

@MikeyH @Kuth So, to solve this problem, the solution would be to either decrease the speed or increase the power, right?

Thanks!

I think if you slowly decrease speed will find a perfect setting to do the job. :wink:

I looked up one of my cork coaster projects:
iCube 10w laser
4000mm/m
30% power
254 LPI
Constant power
Overscan 2.5%
Air Assist on

Of course, the cork may be a little different, but it looks like both. With Variable power, the laser may have trouble getting up to full power in that short distance, and thus not reaching full power.

Thanks guys! I’ll try @MikeyH’s settings and work from there until I’m happy with the result, just like @Kuth suggested.

Thanks again for the help!

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Hi again guys,

I tested reducing the speed, increasing the power, with and without dynamic power, using different materials and different projects, but the result is always the same. I even drew a rectangle about 10x150 mm so the laser would engrave continuously, and the problem still appears. What’s strange is that with this rectangle, the laser doesn’t even have time to cool down.

I don’t know what else I’m supposed to do.
Any more ideas?

This seems to indicate a mechanical problem. Can you show us images of the other materials?

Have you tried changing the LPI setting to a number like 250LPI or 275LPI?

Hi @MikeyH, here are the pictures of some of the testes.

This was teste with speed 4000, 35% power, 254 lpi, dynamic power and 2.5% overscan.

This is exactly the same setting but instead of engraving just one image is two spars by around 150mm.

So after you suggested a hardware problem, I went to check the whole machine. I adjusted the rollers and belt tension, and I found that the eccentric roller for the X axis was loose. I tightened this roller and checked all the others. After that, I started getting better results, still with lines, but much better. However, now the engraving looks sloppy on the edges.


Looks like this is a hardware issue.

Do you have any other suggestions of verifications that can be made?

Thanks again for the help!

Here is a link very often suggested. Pretend it is generic instead of Sculpfun, and go through the entire document checking and adjusting.

Then resize this pattern to the full size of your laser and run it as fast as your machine will go. Post an image of the result for Group Analysis.

BacklashTest.lbrn2 (139.8 KB)

Hi @MikeyH, you didn’t added the link.

Tanks for the help.

OOPS!!!

@MikeyH When you say to resize it to the full size of the machine, do you mean keeping the aspect ratio or resizing the drawing to 400x400?

Sorry for asking these basic questions, but I’m really a newbie with lasers.

Keep the aspect ratio and resize to 350-375 on the large axis if your bed is 400x400. That leaves a little space from the frame.

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Never apologize for wanting to learn. This is why Lightburn set up this Forum. Old users, who used to be new users, helping new now users.

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Never apologize for wanting to learn. This is why Lightburn set up this Forum. Old users, who used to be new users, helping new now users.

Nowadays, people don’t have much patience to teach the basics, they just expect everyone to already know them.

I followed all the steps from @MikeyH’s link, and afterwards I ran an engraving test at 6000 mm/min and 30% power, keeping the rest of the parameters unchanged. Here’s the result.





I do not see a problem at that speed, but the Mfg says max speed is 10,000mm/m. I also see nothing indicating the size of the burned image. However, I do not expect to see something needing a fix.

In your earlier image (see below) I see what could be overlapping burn lines. In other words, pretend your dot size is 0.10mm, but your line interval is 0.07mm. In more other words, one pass covers part of a previous pass already made. Try reducing your LPI by 20% or so and see what happens.

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Hi @MikeyH, I used 6000 because the maximum speed set in the firmware is 6000.

As part of that, I did the test you asked for. Here are the results:

For the standard line interval values of 0.1 and 0.12:

Then I did another test with a higher value of 0.2:

You can still see the lines in the first test, but the pattern changed after the last machine adjustment

With the higher value, you start to notice gaps between the lines.

I also did a line test:

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Looks like .12mm LPI does the best from here. I doubt you will see any better with wood. If you want to really dial it in (fine tune the adjustments), buy some black anodized aluminum cards.